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s-b-s added.

Just added the recipe for those interested. I'll add the S-B-S soon.

Nice ties, Jonn. I've heard that fish masks crack sometimes. Just wonder if you've had that experience. I've heard also that some people coat their fish masks with CCG to make them more crack resistant.

Good question, Tim. Borskie designed his Slider to imitate crabs and shrimps for redfish and bonefish (although, it can also use to imitate minnow), but Loomudclouski was designed to imitate minnow or sculpin. I did borrow some technique from Borski to create the head of the fly. So with that in mind, there are some subtle differences and similarities that were hard to tell from the photos. First, Borskie used hackles for collar on the slider. I used deer hair collar to get the minnow profile and colors that I like. Second, Borskie slider doesn't have a belly. I used red Krystal flash as gills and pearl Krystal flash + deer hair as belly. This is the same technique that I used on the CF Muddler. Third, I added some bucktail wings in addition to the craft fur wings (If you look carefully in all the pictures, you'll notice them kind of stiff and on the very top layer of the minnow bodies). I found that B's slider tends to wrap the craft fur wings around the hook. The bucktail will minimize this problem. This was the final tweak that I modified after the Sanibel trip. Fourth, I used similar technique (with a slight modification) that I used on the CF Muddler to stack the craft fur and flash materials (baitfish emulator, flashabou) for wings to form a minnow body profile. B's slider used on big clump of craft fur. With all these minor differences, that's the reason why the Loomudclouski looks different from the B's Slider. btw, Mike did a very nice job on tying a Slider. B's Slider is a great fly. It can imitate multiple baits (crab, shrimp, and minnow). Like I said, I just put a few different spins on it to come up with the new fly.

Round goby that we found along the lake front has brown & tan body with brownish & blackish spots. These are my attempts. One nice thing about craft fur and deer hair is that they are readily available in a variety of colors. Mike, I got my craft furs from Cabela's, BassPro, and Feather-Crafts. My free samples from Distinctive Fur were long gone. Lots of fly shops carry them. If you have a choice, get Rainy's instead of Hairline. Rainy's craft furs are longer, straighter, and less under guard hairs than Hairline's.

Whipped up a few last night with Gami 60 deg round bend jig hooks. Rich also suggested on straight eye long shank hooks for finesse worm style presentation. Now all I need is open water to test them.

I've been tingling with a hook point up version of the craft fur minnow for several months now. After the recent trip to Sanibel, I got the final tweak on the fly done. This fly is very similar to the CF Muddler in that it has a craft fur tail & wings and a deer hair head, but with a dumpbell eye added to make the fly rides hook point up. It is a combination of a Muddler minnow, a Clouser minnow, a Borski slider, and some ideas of my own, thus the name "LooMudClouSki". Goby Loomudclouski Hook: Streamer size 4 - 0/1 (also can be Jig hooks 60 or 90 degrees) Thread: G.S.P. 100 (black, brown, or olive) Dumpbell Eye: small eyes for size# 4, medium eyes for size#2, large eyes for size# 1/0 Wings: Brown bucktail, Brown Craft Fur, Tan Craft Fur, Pearl Baifish Emulator, Gold & Silver Flashabous. Gill: Red or Pearl Krystal Flash Collar: Brown Deer Hair Belly: Tan Deer Hair Head: Brown Deer Hair Spots (optional): Black Sharpie

Thank you everyone for coming out last night, despite the subzero temp and -35 windshield. It was a great night. Glad to have you onboard, Alan.

Everything is still on. See ya all tonite.

Rob, put me down for "Loomudclouski". It is a dumpbell eye (hook pointed up) version of my CF Muddler. It is a combination of Muddler minnow, Clouser minnow, Borski slider, and some of my ideas, thus the name Loo, Muddler, Clouser, borSki.

Tomorrow is the tying night. Come over for more details.

You pay only one $6 toll before you cross over the bridges to Sanibel. Coming out from Sanibel to the mainland, you don't need to pay toll. From Sanibel, you can hop to the 2 islands - Island A & B - along the Causeway and return to Sanibel without paying toll. Here is some info on fishing Sanibel: http://www.floridasportsman.com/2013/11/01/sanibel-island-fly-fishing/ http://www.normzeiglersflyshop.com/ http://www.sanibel-captiva.org/sanibel-island-fishing/#fly http://www.snookfly.com/about/

Mike, I stayed at the Holiday Inn in Sanibel. It is right on the beach. You can walk along the beaches searching for snooks from April - July. Tarpons migrate thru these areas from June - August, too. There are a lot places - beaches, fishing piers, passes, the Causeway islands going into Sanibel - that you can DIY. There are a lot of places that you can a rent kayak for fishing too. April - Sept is the best time for beach fishing. I'm going to post a full report in coming week.

Mike, Sanibel was fun. I fished with Dave Gibson of snookfly.com. Saw a lot of snooks, but cold front got them locked jaws. Did manage a lot of other species, though.

I can do Schaumburg show on Sunday 10-2, if still needed.

Pat, we can share a hair packer. See ya on Monday. Just got back from Sanibel. The CF Muddlers took jacks, snappers, groupers, ladyfish, sheepheads, and mackerel .

Don't have Comcast Sport Channel. Will it be on YouTube?

I'm in.

These lures have been in my procession for many years now. When I bought them, they were not advertised as UV lures. As you can see, the lures manufactures have long been using UV Reactive paint and dye in their products. What really surprised me in these pictures is that the long brownish softplastic worm also has UV Reactive dye in it. I guess one of the reason the lure fishermen catch a lot more fish then the fly fishermen is this secret. No wonder they didn't want to chimmed in this discussion. Flyers, keep this little experiment in mind when you tie or design your flies.

It was snowy and gloomy this afternoon. A bunch of kids were walking home from school. One stood out from the rest. He was carrying a chartreuse bookpack. I thought about Mike's quote................................. NAAAAAAAH! I cracked a .

Thanks Tim for clarifying that. All these Reactive Reflective UV mumbo jumbo got my head swollen, all I want is to catch a fish. When is this d__ ice going to melt? It has been a good discussion folks. I hope no one has taken it personally and I've not offended anyone. If I did, I sincerely apologize.

Sorry, I'll never able to see like a fish, but Paul would reply "I'm pretty good with a rod, but I need three more years before I can see like a fish."

I know that still doesn't prove that fish really see it.

I noticed my flies glowed slightly while cueing CCG with a UV flashlight trying to affix eyes onto the flies, then I turned off the light in the room and shine the UV flashlight again onto the flies, that was when it hit me. I didn't know what I was seeing then, now you'd given me some thing to back up what I was suspecting all along, and Mike G was right. Thanks Tim for mentioning about Drew Chicone. But funny, the article that I read he said the opposite of the first sentence in your quoted. Extracted from "Shining a Light on UV Materials" by Drew Chicone "So what are you seeing when materials light up in the dark when you shine a UV light on them? These are UV reactive materials. UV reactive materials shine, radiate, incandesce, or fluoresce when you hit them with a UV light. Typically this means they have been dye with UV reactive dyes. Highly UV reactive materials can be checked with a UV light. They gather light and fluoresce or luminesce in the dark. Materials that appear fluorescent in daylight absorb UV and reflect or radiate, with a brighter intensity." You can read the rest here: http://midcurrent.com/flies/shining-a-light-on-uv-materials/

This idea is lot totally a far fetch. Westcoast steelheaders have long believed that one of the reasons steelheads strike a fly is their imprinted feeding response. Steelheads don't need to feed once they returned from the salt to their natal tribs, but they strike flies that resemble their food source (shrimp, squid, baitfish, salmon eggs, mayfly, caddis, etc) out in the ocean or in the river when they were young. In the UV Craze article, Rich did mention that mayflies and caddis flies do have UV on their wings, heads, or bodies.