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Wish list items for USGS river gauges:

 

> To be able to receive the height and flow from the gauging station of my choice on my cell phone.

> Text alerts (to cell phone) when river data matches the markers of my choice, i.e., my preferred gauge height and flow for good fishing while wading or kayaking.

> Temperature readings

 

You'd need to register for an account to be able to get that info. USGS could later sell their subscriber info to places like Cabelas, Bass Pro, Orvis, etc. to help offset the costs for the technology.

 

Somehow, somewhere, would like to see a pilot program for Web cams on bridges to help anglers checkout conditions. Not necessarily by USGS, but would be neat to see some day.

 

I could say,"Dream on, Eric." But then I remember that I once thought cell phones were just a fad.

 

Now I say that a subscription to a service like that would be the ideal gift for the angler who has everything. I want one for Christmas even though I do not have everything.

 

Before we start wondering how this relates to the USGS programs in place, let's say that continued full functioning of the current USGS programs would be the foundation of the "subscription service." The service would dispense public information from sources like USGS, SMA Chapters, etc. along with proprietary information. A big part of its value would be having all the information in one place. Now I am dreaming.

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Hello ISA, please allow me to introduce myself.... I am Gary Johnson, Chief of the USGS Hydrologic Data Section in Illinois. That simply means that I oversee the Streamgaging Network in Illinois.

 

I am sorry I haven't responded until now, I have been gone for the last 3 weeks, and am trying to get uncovered at work.

 

First, it is very satisfying to hear the positive comments about USGS streamgages. I am always amazed at the numbers and diversity of users of USGS data. Although your group seems to understand the importance of the data and where it comes from, this is not generally the case. I always say that USGS data has a profound impact on people's lives, but noone knows anything about it. USGS streamgage data are used for a wide variety of uses: maintaining navigation, highway and bridge design, flood forecasting, flood warning, flood response, flood zone delineation, industry permits for withdrawls and treatment plant operations, and finally, by public citizens for recreation purposes. We are very glad to be of service to many different data users.

 

Unfortunately, we are not funded directly by Congress to operate the Streamgage Network. We rely heavily on "soft money", i.e. money from others to pay for the gages. This funding scheme definitely keeps us relevant, efficient, and focused on local issues, which is GOOD. However, it also subjects us to the budget issues of several different agencies whose budget cycles are often a roller coaster ride. We primarily run these gages for large governmental entities. Our main cooperators are the Corps of Engineers, the IDNR-Office of Water Resources, and some of the Chicago Counties (DuPage and Kane), but we have over 30 entities that contribute to support the network in Illinois.

 

One promising answer to our shakey budget foundation is the National Streamflow Information Program (NSIP), see http://water.usgs.gov/nsip/

NSIP has not been fully funded, but the funding has been increasing as it picks up advocates and support. NSIP calls for a unified network to meet National needs of streamflow information while ensuring that local needs continue to be met. NSIP is designed with five components, one of which is to provide a "backbone" or core of streamgages that are of such critical importance to national streamflow information needs that their operation should be assured with Federal funds. NSIP was created in response to Congressional and stakeholder concerns about (1) a loss of streamgages, (2) a disproportionate loss of streamgages with a long period of record, (3) the inability of the USGS to continue operating high-priority streamgages when partners discontinue funding and (4) the increasing demand for streamflow information due to new resource-management issues and new data-delivery capabilities.

 

With respect to adding sensors-- please realize that this is not a trivial matter. The sensors cost money, and maintaining them can be very costly. Sensors are unfortunately not very robust, and often fail due to lightning strikes, debris or ice or sediment impacts, vandalism, humidity, and countless other anomolous reasons. USGS data are looked upon as a very reliable data-- As such, we literally look at every piece of data we collect every day to QAQC it. If something looks odd, or if it stops coming in, we send someone to troubleshoot/fix it. We have to check the sensors periodically by doing manual measurements and then adjust the stored data accordingly. Finally, we also publish all our data, which is a whole other set of challenges.

 

I also wanted to answer an earlier comment about obtaining USSG data on your cellphone or PDA. You can send a text message or email to "streammail@usgs.gov", put the USGS station number in the subject line, and within about 5 minutes you will get a text message or email back with the current stage and streamflow.

 

I am happy to try to answer any questions you may have, I'll try to watch this forum and reply as appropriate, but please bear with me in terms of timeliness of reply!

 

 

 

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Gary, thank you for taking the time to address this topic.

 

We probably all learned something vital about a service we probably take for granted.

 

Could you tell us in terms of costs what kinds of expenses are involved in keeping a stream gauge going or installing a temperature probe?

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Thanks for chiming in Gary.

 

Are you also working on the Toxic Substances Hydrology Program?

That looks very intriguing as well.

http://toxics.usgs.gov/about.html

 

Dr. Robert Holmes discussed it at an IRCC meeting this year, so I was able to learn about it from those minutes.

Looks like a very promising program.

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Dr. Holmes is the Director here in Illinois, i.e. my boss. And yes, we are involved with the Toxic Substances Hydrology Program. Basically, USGS has State offices to collect data with the focus being Statewide or even smaller **trying not to sound like a USGS commercial here**, and we also have National Synthesis Teams that look at watershed (as in Mississippi River, multi-State) scale issues. Which is why it is so important to collect, analyze, and publish data with consistent, well-documented protocols. The old comparing "apples to apples" issue...

 

Costs for a full discharge gage are about $12k to $18k per year per site, depending on the complexity of flows. For stage only, cost is about $5k per year per site. Extra data parameters such as air and water temp, raingage, humidity, wind speed/direction, solar radiation, etc... are "options" and cost anywhere from about $1k to $3k per station per year. These costs pay for field staff to keep the gages running, and office staff to QA, analyze, and publish the data both in real-time, but also in a long-term, national database.

 

Sorry for the brevity in response, I gotta run for the day-- I'll check the forum tomorrow if there are more questions.

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