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Mark K

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  1. You don't need a koozie (neoprene beverage can insulator) when the air temp is low enough to sustain water in it's solid phase. I work with a group of very nice folks all with really advanced science degrees who still take up precious refrigerator space by putting an entire lunch cooler bag in there. He does touch a nerve. hobbies get out of control. @3:35 hoarding old gear. It's hard to let go of stuff that you pretty much should have not bought in the first place.
  2. Think of it as fish bragging rights when you take fish picture and pretty much share it to the world.. Only in this case when you hold it closer to the camera a 5K does not become a marathon.
  3. That and 50 or so years of not dumping toxic s...t in it.
  4. No. it is a tributary of the Desplaines. Near I 55. https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/inpc/pages/area3willgrantcreekprairie.aspx
  5. https://www.instagram.com/p/B7EToXRlPIW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet Spoiler: Grant Creek wins healthiest stream. tinyurl.com/riverwatch-2019report
  6. I think it was the district office. I was driving when I callled. Whatever number Siri pulled up
  7. I have a few really nice ones. We used to go float the river fish and look for rocks. The river is pretty much picked thru now. It was 15 years ago. If you are interested in that stuff look up ESCONI , Earth Science Club of Northern Illinois. They meet at C.O.D. and run trips to Braceville where you can (legally) find those same types of Fossils. you can hunt at braidwood also, but you need to check in. There actually refered to as "Mazon creek Fossils" from the Pensylvanian era (250 milion ish years ago) and I think there are very few places on earth where they exist and none in the numbers that were found in that area. This is a cool forum also. http://www.thefossilforum.com
  8. The forest preserve sent me a PDF of their brochure on canoeing. Here is the disclaimer. Canoeists on Illinois rivers receive permission from landowners whenever utilizing private property. Many of the streams in Illinois are bounded by private land. Any stream that is not legally public and navigable is private and can only be used with permission from the landowners. Obtain permission from landowners before launching, take out, camping, picnicking, portaging, or parking vehicles on private land. Remember that your conduct will greatly influence the landowners attitude toward other canoeists. So yeah, that old man is probably right. You probably need his permission to be legal. Why they built a launch to the south of there i have no idea. Maybe they are hoping to buy that property at some point? There is a canoe launch and a parking lot just to the NW of that guy's property. They sent me PDFs of maps of a bunch of FPs around there. looks on paper to be really nice. 2019 Canoe Brochure.pdf
  9. I have not paddled the Mazon in a really long time, there was no cow pee pipe when I paddled it so that call must have worked. The waterfall he is talking about was WhiteTie Falls, which I believe is just run-off from farm fields across Whitetie road. Claypool Ditch, I thiink it's called. It used to be really pretty, like a real creek and a waterfall. then they poured concrete in it i guess for erosion and it's truly hideous now. He also doesn't mention that the landowners were pissed because fossil hunters would go in there sometimes with shovels and tear up the already eroding banks.
  10. That's my whole point. Unfortunately I think the more you find out the more will be in favor of the landowner.
  11. John Husar in 1987 on public access. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-05-13-8702050664-story.html
  12. I have an email into the (1)CPO, we'll see what he says. if he doesn't get back to me in two weeks, i am going to call his cell. Then I am going to call him again if he does not respond. I was also bored driving to a physical therapy appointment, so I called the County FP and asked about that specific details a very nice and trying to be super helpful person answered , but was pretty much hadn't heard a thing about that stretch, totally unfamiliar with Illinois access law (like pretty everybody) much and essentially referred me to IDNR.
  13. I don't think they have jurisdiction over the river IDNR does.
  14. So if it's navigable at best you have the right to thru it.
  15. Based on this, from everything I read and assuming he owns that property the old man is right. You have no business being there. Is there anything from the forest preserve district telling you that it is okay to float this?
  16. Have you called the conservation police to ask if it's cool to float thru there? Have you talked to anyone that was actually busted for trespassing? Did you confirm on the county GIS that he indeed owns both sides? I took a fast look at it, and looks to me like property lines go up to the bank.
  17. Did you confirm on the county GIS that he indeed owns both sides? I took a fast look at it, and looks to me like property lines go up to the bank. Does that stretch in question fall between these floats? https://paddleillinoiswatertrails.org/2015/06/13/kishwaukee-river-water-trails/#Redhorse Have you called the conservation police to ask if it's cool to float thru there? Have you talked to anyone that was actually busted for trespassing?
  18. According to this, the whole K3 is Illinois Public water. The entire length and surface area in Illinois, including all backwater lakes and sloughs open to the main channel or body of water at normal flows or stages, are open to the public unless limited to a head of navigation as stated. https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/WaterResources/Pages/PublicWaters.asp Is it on the map?
  19. I don't see what is gray about what you posted. So the Kish is not on the Illinois Public waters list, but there are numerous Forest Preserves which are public owned. The old guy can yell all he wants. If there is a public launch at one end of a float and a another at the other end, I am guessing you are good to go. https://paddleillinoiswatertrails.org/2015/06/13/kishwaukee-river-water-trails/ And again, clearly the Boone County folks can legally block the river, which is their right. Regarding accessing a stream from a bridge. I heard that one two, but never from anybody other than another fisherman. so that one goes under "fake news" till otherwise researched.
  20. You can always contact the CPO directly before your guerilla mission. There is not that many of them. He is the guy that ultimately who is going to decide whats legal or not and unless you have time to waste (I don't) in court, nor do I want anything on my record. It took a day or two and it was not the answer wanted, but he did get back to me. https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/LawEnforcement/Documents/DistrictCPOPhonesAndEmails.pdf
  21. Wow, now I remember those. But I think you would need about 40 of them to to canoe the Mazon.
  22. I think that is true, but the high water mark thing is if the land owner only up to the bank. I looked at the GIS for a friends property located on a non navigable tributary of the Kankakee, his property only goes up to the bank. I remember him saying that people could access the creek up to the high water mark. So that whole thing about the property line extending straight down the center of the waterway is not occurring everywhere. So I was wondering If you put a canoe in a totally legal spot, say someone gave you permission and you have a spot to legally take it out. Basically one guy owns one side the other guy owns the other-side straight down the middle of the stream. No matter what you will be trespassing on someone's property. I am guessing yes. But does someone have to file a complaint? If you get a ticket how does the cop have any idea who's property it is? If a cop rolled up on you out of the blue, with nothing out of the ordinary other tha he knows you are not on public land, can he write you a ticket? (the cop I talked to sounded like he would) If you we to say, Oh yeah. I know Jim Bob he is okay with me to be here. How would he know you weren't lying. So both the Depaul and Amercan White Water links say: Criminal trespass on private land is a class B misdemeanor (the cop I talked to said you could be charged with a felony) and occurs where notice has been given indicating that entry is forbidden.12) So is that the wrinkle? You have to be given notice either by a sign or otherwise?
  23. This is Texas, not Illinois. The law is totally different state to state. In Texas I think you can drive with a beer in one hand and an M16 in the other. Something like that.
  24. It explains why a land owner might not want you on their property, but not the law regarding whether they have a right to. My recent Googling seems to have cleared that up. The law really isn't all that vague. On a navigable stream, if a landowner owns the stream up to the center of the river you only have the right to "navigate thru" not to fish or hunt there. That's a new one on me. On a non-navigable stream you do not have the "navigate thru" right. So basically you have no right to be there. at all. The links I posted do not say that. I think they infer it.
  25. even worse. Page 363. http://via.library.depaul.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2408&context=law-review "In addition, many beds are conveyed because a grant by an owner of riparian land is presumed to convey title to the center of the thread of a stream.Thus, the beds of most Illinois rivers and streams are privately owned. Private ownership of river beds severely inhibits the public's right to engage in recreational activities on Illinois waterways. Under Illinois common law the owner of a river bed has the exclusive right to hunt and fish over the water lying above the bed. Furthermore, only the bed owner may enter upon the water covering that segment of the bed owned by him or her. Consequently, swimming by members of the public may be prohibited by the bed owners."
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